Joseph Smith was a charlatan and a pathological liar. But he had one commendable characteristic. He had a droll sense of humor. Imagine getting thousands of people to walk around in ridiculous underwear!! Choice. Really choice. And more than 100 years before Monte Python.p
The aim of the majority of people was to oppress and destroy the church
by spreading these lies about the church. This link explains :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system
it wasn't a stone it was a smart phhhhhhooooooonnnnneeeeeee
could it be that it was nephi that was running and could it be that the nephites were Giants I think it's interesting As a mormon myself that 200 of the Council Angels that fell and cursed themselves that day at Mt. Herman their number was two hundred
I think I know what your doing and I respect it just saying
The Book of Mormon presents BIG problems that cannot be explained away:
LANGUAGE: 1 Ne. 1:2, etc., states that Hebrews who left Jerusalem and came to the Americas spoke Egyptian. It is a known fact that Hebrews spoke Hebrew, and their records were kept in Hebrew. Egyptians were their enemies. It is absurd to think that Hebrews would have written their sacred history in Egyptian as to think that American History would have been written in Russian. In Mormon 9:32
, 34, it is state that the language was "reformed Egyptian" and that no other people knew their language. There is no known language called "reformed Egyptian."
DESERT FRUIT: 1 Ne. 17:5 talks about ample fruit and wild honey being products of Sinai desert (called Bountiful). Not possible!
DESERT TIMBER: 1 Ne. 18:1 talks about ample timber that these Jews used to build a ship. There is not ample timber in that area. It was a desert. It still is a desert.
LAMAN RIVER: 1 Ne. 2:6-9 mentions a river named Laman that flows into the Red Sea. There is no river there and has not been since the Pleistocene era.
BOTANICAL PROBLEMS are many in the Book of Mormon. Wheat, barley, olives, etc., are mentioned, but none of these were in the Americas at that time.
ANIMALS: North America had no cows, asses, horses, oxen, etc. Europeans brought them hundreds and hundreds of years later. North America had no lions, leopards, nor sheep at that time. Honey bees were brought here by Europeans much later. Ether 9:18
, 19, lists domestic cattle, cows, and oxen as separate species! They did not even exist in the Americas at that time.
The Book of Mormon also mentions swine as being useful to man. Maybe, but Jews would not think of swine as being useful or good; swine were forbidden, unclean animals to them.
Horses, asses, and elephants were not in the Americas either.
And what on earth are "cureloms" and "cumoms"? No such animals have ever been identified anywhere. Domestic animals that are thought to be "useful" would hardly become extinct.
-34 talks about poisonous snakes driving sheep to the south. The Book of Mormon states that the people ate the snake-killed animals, all of them! (v. 34). Hebrews would not have eaten animals that were killed that way.
Chickens and dogs did not exist in the Americas at that time either.
BUTTER is also mentioned, but it could not possibly exist, since no milk-producing animals were found in the Americas at that time.
CLOTHING MATERIAL: No silk and wool clothing (or moths) existed at that time either, contrary to 1 Ne. 13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17
BEHEADING: Beheaded Shiz --- Ether 15:30
-31 says that after Shiz was beheaded, he raised up and struggled for breath!
MISCALCULATIONS: In Ether, chapter 6, we learn that furious winds propelled the barges to the promised land for 344 days! Even if the winds were not "furious" but, for example, blew only 10 miles per hour, the distance traveled in 344 days would have been 82,560 miles, or more than three times around the world. Absurdity, to say the least!
And why would the Lord instruct Jared to make a hole on top and bottom of each barge? (Ether 2:20
POPULATION: When Lehi left Jerusalem, according to the Book of Mormon, his group consisted of fewer than 20 people. Yet 19 years later the people had so prospered and multiplied in the Promised Land that they built a temple of which the "manner of construction was like unto the temple of Solomon: and the workmanship thereof was exceeding fine" (2. Ne. 5:16
Looking at what the Bible says about the construction of Solomon's temple, we find that it took 30,000 Israelites, 150,000 hewers of stone and carriers, 3,300 supervisors (I Kings 5:13
-16) and about seven years to build it (See also I Kings 6).
And how many people could Lehi have had in his group after 19 years?
The book further tells that in less than 30 years after arriving on this continent, they had multiplied so rapidly that they even divided into two nations. Even the most rapid human reproduction could only have resulted in a few dozen in that brief time, and most of them still would be infants and children and about one-third older people.
Not only did they divide into two nations, but throughout the book, about every few years, they had devastating wars that killed thousands (i.e., Alma 28:2).
SKIN COLOR: Beginning after the first 19 years or so, Laman and Lemuel and their descendants and followers (!) turned dark skinned because of their disobedience (2 Ne. 5:21
). According to the Book of Mormon, dark skin color was a curse from God! This change of skin color takes place throughout the book. In 2 Ne. 30:6 we read that if Lamanites accepted the true gospel, they became "white and delightsome" (and since the 1981 printing of the Book of Mormon, they became "pure and delightsome.)
But if they left this true gospel, they became "dark and loathsome." People's skin color does not change if they believe or do not believe! Nor is the skin color a curse!
The Book of Mormon teaches that Indians originated from these Jewish settlers. Indians are distinctly Mongoloid. They have the "Mongoloid" blue spot, specific blood traits, and their facial features are of typical Asian origin, not Semitic at all. Current DNA evidence has confirmed this as well.
Questionable Materials for This Time Period
In Ether 7:8-9, we read of steel and breakable windows (2:23
) in Abraham's time! Try to explain that to an archaeologist. Steel was not even developed until about 1400 years later.
At the end of the Book of Mormon, Moroni tells about a great battle that took place on the Hill Cumorah. Over 200,000 people, armed to their teeth, were killed on that hill. The story tells about Their weapons, breastplates, helmets, swords etc. Nothing has ever been found on that hill or anywhere else in this continent. As a matter of fact, metal, helmets, swords, etc., do not disappear in a mere 1400 years.
Before the LDS Church purchased the Hill Cumorah, it was literally dug full of holes and even caves, but nothing was ever found. (Joseph Smith told about a cave inside Hill Cumorah and how they - he and Oliver - went in and out of it. Supposedly it had wagon loads of gold plates, Laban sword, etc.)
When people dig even for worms in the Holy Land, they make discoveries. In contrast to the Book of Mormon, cities, places, coins, clothing, swords, etc. mentioned in the Bible have been found by archaeologists, but not one single place mentioned in the Book of Mormon has ever been identified.
There are still people in the LDS Church who believe that archaeology has proved, at least to a degree, the Book of Mormon. Some missionaries are still using slide presentations of ruins from Mexico and South America, implying that they prove the Book of Mormon, but they are from an entirely DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD and are ruins of idol worshipers who offered human sacrifices.
the LGM [Last Glacial Maximum] was ~16K years ago. 47:47
, so there was a rising of sea level which inundated coastal cities ..... if there were any, ..... since we're told we were hunters and gatheres til about 6K ya. This is what science is saying happened.
I always tell Internet Mormons that we should both join F-LDS Mormons if we really believe this is the most correct book. The clean shaven joe college Mormon doesn't want the rough beard, polygamy, and original anit-black stance. They want the Mormon that looks like traditional Christianity. But if they were to re-pray about it, and think about it - it should reason that F LDS is the way to go. Don't be a modern day political correct LDS, and return to the origin Fundamental Later day saints.
talk about babble...
Is it Brigham Young or Bangum Young.
@Dodger Game, how did you reach the conclusion that YOUR church denomination is God's "true Church"?
What about? https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/watch-new-statistical-book-of-mormon-evidence
Let's see some of the latest scientific research that refutes the antiMormon arguments regarding DNA and the Book of Mormon ==>>
Here is an article from Scientific American regarding research on haplogroup x as found in the Native Americanshttp://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/features/dna2.htm
But the surprise was that about 3 percent of the Native Americans tested had mtDNA from a different haplogroup, called X. Some populations, such as the Ojibwa from the Great Lakes region, have a high concentration of X - 25 percent.
How did haplogroup X get to North America? Some X has been found in Mongolia, but it's definitely not common in modern Asia. It can, however, be found in about 4 percent of the present day European population. Genetic anthropologists suggest that the presence of X in North America points to an early migration westward from Europe...... Scientists have also done some testing on pre-Columbian Native American skeletal remains from before 1300, and found haplogroup X in the same proportion it's present in modern Native American populations.
See also this article from National Geographichttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/
Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people *linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought*
according to a newly sequenced genome.
Based on the arm bone of a 24,000-year-old Siberian youth, the research could uncover new origins for America's indigenous peoples, as well as stir up fresh debate on Native American identities, experts say.
What's funny is that you prove Mormonism is a farce, and then you say you believed in it for 20 years. If it were me, I wouldn't admit that I was that stupid for so long.
Ezekiel 37: is a bible reference, to confirm the stick of Joseph/ Ephraim hence the Book of Mormon is in deed True! Altered by men not unlike the alterations made in the bible or the stick of Judah.
These two sticks( scriptures) are to be used as one!
"15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."
Or read Isaiah 28 also speaking of the LDS church ( Ephraim)
In the bible time the Jews rejected the Saviour, the Gentiles have rejected him too. All need to repent ! All need to live by the words of God! Bible: old and New Testament and the Book of Mormon. To deny this is to deny your own salvation!
The church or the Mormon's have erred greatly! But the truth within the Book Joseph 's stick is not!
Hey the boats were of curious workmanship
I just found out about D and C 13:1 really animal sacrifices will be restored!? Wasn't Christ's sacrifice enough? Then in D and C 132 JS is given the title of a medium ( by the lord,) so we have a stone in a hat ( skrying) being a medium, familiar spirits in the BOM, and animal sacrifices. Sounds like witchcraft to me.
what is going on here is this the Cat in the Hat 3?
who the hell let Jim Caponzi in here ? please try to play nicely all sharing your deep convictions everyone. only I'm allowed to be a total hypocrite=)
here's the deal you can talk trash about the 12 Etc all you want but do even factual and back things up as much as possible with documentation do not use name-calling and character assassination another insult to each other...
Jim this is for you especially. you can take your shots and try to back them up about LDS leadership, but don't talk s*** about a guys wife. I will ban your ass delete your comments if you continue to treat other people who are merely attempting to participate and share their reviews in such a manner. I don't know where there any of those things that you say about LDS leaders are fairly accurate however most of the LDS people are victims of the Mind Control used upon them by the luciferian leadership of the church, and in no way deserving of some of the awful things I had seen you say about LDS people in general on the internet. people of various police are more than welcome to express their police gear including faithful Mormons Catholics Christians agnostics atheists ex Mormons Etc but I don't want the kind of trashy character assassination that would be typical of an LDS apologist used in these comments I want people to substantiate what they have to say and focus on church history Church leadership changing Dawkins Etc not talking trash about the people themselves who pay their ties to support these bastards