Nicely done, Ryan. As a long time researcher (40 years) into Book of Mormon geography, I find your conclusions not only plausible, but probable. I would be interested in seeing more detail as you further develop your thesis. Thanks.
My relatives, blew Joseph's brains out(first his brother).I remember as a kid, the big pool of blood on the floor(glass plate covering it) with the guides saying it was Joseph, but it wasn't !! Joseph was killed after he bailed out the window to escape after his brother's brains were emptied.Coward-and not a profit-he did want to " Profit" though
This is the best explanation of Heartland geography that I've come across. No mention however of how Jaredites fit in to the geography.
while I love history and the aspect of this, we also have to remember that for the Book of Mormon we don't need archeological sights to prove its true. Read it with true intent and pray with faith
Book of Mormon Overview ~ The Book of Mormon contains the purported stories of three different groups which sailed to the Americas.
• The Jaredites (Book of Ether) came to the new world at the time of the tower of Babel. They were instructed to build eight barges in which to sail to America. This journey took three hundred and forty four days. After years of occupying the land and numbering in the millions, their civilization was destroyed by war. The last survivor, Coriantumr, was found by the Mulekites sometime before 200 B.C.
• The Mulekites came to America from Jerusalem in 586 B.C. They were led by the last living son of Zedekiah, Mulek. Although they lived in America during the same period as the Nephites and Lamanites, they did not encounter them until around 200 B.C. They then became amalgamated with the Nephites.
• The two main groups in the Book of Mormon are the Nephites and Lamanites. The story tells of a family group led by an Israelite prophet named Lehi. He is warned by God to flee Jerusalem at 600 B.C. He and his family make their way to the southern part of Arabia where they build a ship to sail across the Pacific Ocean to America. Two of his sons, Nephi and Laman struggle for leadership. This leads to the division of the group into two warring factions, the Nephites (usually the good guys) and Lamanites (usually the bad guys).
• The last battle between the two groups, in 421 AD, wipes out almost all of the Nephites. Moroni, the last surviving Nephite, buries the records of his civilization in the hill Cumorah. Hundreds of years later, Joseph Smith is directed to the spot by Moroni (some records say Nephi), now a resurrected being who has become an angel.
The Urim and Thummim, specially prepared spectacles preserved with the plates as an aid in translating, were used to translate the first 116 pages, to the first part of Mosiah. This was on the plates of Lehi. Then, when Martin Harris lost the 116 manuscript pages, Smith was told not to translate the same material again. He was to now switch to the small plates of Nephi, which were more religious in content than the other plates. This record was translated by using the magic stone Smith found in Mr. Chase’s well. Those who were on the scene when Smith worked on his translation recount that he gazed at the stone in his hat and would read the words off the stone to his scribe.
Smith claimed to copy off some of the characters from the plates. This sample of supposed Nephite writing is a composite of various scripts and squiggles, with English characters in abundance. No other example of this type of writing has ever been found. The Mayans were the only Indians to develop a written language and it has no resemblance to Smith’s supposed Book of Mormon characters.
Testing the Record — How do we authenticate the Book of Mormon?
Does history agree with it?
The Mormons like to point to the great buildings of the Maya in southern Mexico and central America as proof that such a culture described in the Book of Mormon did exist. However, the Maya were a pagan people with many deities and human sacrifice. The Book of Mormon people were supposed to be Israelites led by a prophet of God.
The Bible presents the history of Israel and the beginnings of Christianity. There are thousands of artifacts relating to the people mentioned in the Bible. Also, many of the cities mentioned in the Bible have been excavated. The journeys of Paul can be charted on a map. If the Book of Mormon is a history of actual people we would expect to find the same type of evidence for it as we do for the Bible.
As we examine the Book of Mormon we must evaluate the people’s living conditions with that of the Indians. What type of plants does the book mention? Were these plants in America at that time? What animals are said to be in the area? Did the Indians have the knowledge of metal working as mentioned in the Book of Mormon? What was their written language? Their mode of travel? How do these claims compare with archeology?
The Book of Mormon mentions:
• wheat (Mosiah 9:9)
• horses (1 Nephi 18:25
• chariots (Alma 18:9-11; 20:6; 3 Nephi 3:22
• cows (Enos 21)
• elephants (Ether 9:19
• silk (Alma 1:29
; 4:6; Ether 9:17
• linen (Mosiah 10:5; Helaman 6:13
; Ether 10:24
• money-pieces of gold and silver (Alma 11:3-20)
• steel (2 Nephi 5:15
; Jarom 1:8; Ether 7:9)
None of these items were here before the Spaniards.
Many people assume if they read the Book of Mormon they will get a good idea of LDS beliefs. However, the Book of Mormon teaches one God, not plural gods as in Mormonism. It mentions heaven and hell, not three degrees of glory, no temple marriage or secret temple ceremonies. It does not teach baptism for the dead, pre-existence of man, eternal progression or polygamy (see comparison chart). One of the most objectionable doctrines in the Book of Mormon is it’s view of skin color. White skin is seen as desirable, dark skin is seen as a mark of God’s displeasure (see chart on racial statements). Smith wrote the Book of Mormon in the late 1820’s. Over the next fifteen years his doctrines underwent radical changes.
• Secret band like Freemasons — Alma 37, Ether 8:18
, Helaman 6:21
• Arguments over infant baptism and unchurched — Moroni 8
• Indians from Israel — see View of the Hebrews, published in 1825
• King James Bible quotations — includes New Testament phrases in Old Testament portion of Book of
• Joseph Smith’s father’s dreams — see Lucy Smith’s book, Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet and His Progenitors for Many Generations
• Cursed treasures — Mormon 1:18
, like money digging stories in New York
• Freemen — Alma 51, 60, 61, 62 — Shades of the American revolution
Is Ezekiel 37:15
-22 a prediction of the Book of Mormon?
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith claimed: “Another remarkable prophecy concerning the Book of Mormon is in the thirty-seventh chapter of Ezekiel, verses fifteen to the end. The story is that the Lord commanded the prophet to take two sticks, one stick for Judah and his fellows and the other for Joseph and his fellows and join them together in his hand. By stick, as used in this scripture, is meant the writings, or scrolls, such as ancient books were in the days of Ezekiel. One of these was to be the sacred history of Judah and his fellows, the other the sacred history of Joseph and his fellows” (The Restoration of All Things, p. 99, as quoted in LDS Collector’s Library ‘97 CD-ROM).
However, chapter thirty-seven gives its own interpretation of the passage. At this time Israel was divided into two groups. Verse 18 states the people will ask for an interpretation of the joined sticks. In verses 19-22 the Lord declares that the northern and southern kingdoms shall be joined into one nation. This section does not have anything to do with a written record. It is a promise from the Lord relating to the restoration of Israel.
The word used in verse 16 for stick is the Hebrew word “ets,” not the Hebrew word meaning a written record. Below are verses showing the various Hebrew words for wood and written records.
Piece of Wood
“Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick [ets-piece of wood], and write upon it,...” (Also “ets” in Numbers 15:32
; 1 Kings 17:10
; 2 Kings 6:6)
“So that they shall take no wood [ets] out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests.” Ezekiel 41:22
“The altar of wood [ets] was three cubits high,...”
Roll or Book
Ezekiel 2:9 “...and, lo, a roll [megillah] of a book [cepher-letter] was therein;...” (Also “megillah” in Jeremiah 36:2 & 32; Ezekiel 3:1)
(Also “cepher” in Exodus 17:14
; Deuteronomy 28:58
; Isaiah 29:11
; Jeremiah 36:2)
By Sandra Tanner Utah Lighthouse Ministry, 1358 S. West Temple,
Salt Lake City, UT 84115 USA
How many poisonous serpents live North of Nauvoo??
Disagree with this video. Please don't try too hard to proof something that is not meant to be analyzed.
Pure Mormon drivel and fantasy. Poor Ryan Ingram that he is sooooo indoctrinated as to believe this garbage. Strange that this video hasn’t gone viral to all the archeologists that would then be swarming here to be part of this incredible find…’Right Under Our Noses’ ….what else is any level headed rational person to do here except LAUGH!
The Hopewell were Zionist invaders of North America. The native Indians eradicated them. Then the Zionist aliens, the Mayans, moved north from Meso-America at about 600 AD and restarted the Zionist occupation in North America per medium of the " Mississippians. ".
As a Native American, I find it INCREDIBLY insulting that you Mormons have decided to try and steal all the accomplishments of my ancestors. I say Thank God for authentic, scientific proof(IE Archaeology) because there has never been any pre-Columbian Caucasian remains every found on this continent. The Hopewell people were natives, not Europeans. Do you choose them because their culture was so advanced? Funny thing, no hidden golden books there and no seer stones there either.. Amazing that all of your beliefs are based on the lies of one insane man..
I'm interested in the Hopwell Mounds Advanced Geometric shaped cities especially the one showing the oil lamp, Hanukkah Menorah, Compass and Square. I wonder how could these people know of the Hanukkah Menorah Lamp if this city was a Nephi fortified city with people who came to North America from Jerusalem around 600 BC? Under the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Syrian Greeks sought to impose their Hellenistic culture, which many Jews found attractive. By 167 B.C.E. The Maccabees — led by the five sons of the priest Mattathias, especially Judah — waged a three-year campaign that culminated in the cleaning and re-dedication of the Temple. The miracle of the only one jar of oil and the lighting of the Menorah lamp to celebrate the re-dedication lasted for 8 days. How would these people know about this event that happened long after they had left?
Zelph apparently lived in the land northward, not in the main geographic area of the BOM. You are using a false assumption in your conclusion.
I think the scale is all wrong. The narrow neck of land was very strategic and on this conjectured map the narrow neck is not in a strategic location, and is also crossed by the Niagara River and it's gorge.
1st Nephi chapter 1:
Nephi when in Jerusalem escaped with his family to the Red Sea 250 miles away by foot and in 600BC. Once they arrived his dad remembered his birth records were back in Jerusalem. So Nephi walks back 250 miles, kills a dude, gets birth records and walks back to the Red Sea 250 miles. His family so happy they got the records. No one was surprise this feat was actually accomplished. Then his dad remembered there would be no women in the new world for his sons to get freaky with. So they walk back to Jerusalem "250 miles" to look for chicks. They find chicks but these chicks had parents so Nephi, his two brothers, three chicks with their old parents walked back to the Red Sea "250 miles away", through the Arabian desert with no water and wearing flip flops. These are Super Jews who could have just walked to freedom.
Help me understand your view on Alma 50:11
- to me Mormon is describing a line separating the Land of Zarahemla and the Land of Nephi, that goes from a "west sea", which if I'm understanding right is Lake Michigan, past the head of the river Sidon.
I am not a scholar but what I have read you are right they
would not have known about Hanukkah but the menorah
was used in temples dating back to 1000 BCE http://jewish-art.org/menorah.html
Amazing!!!! I didn't need this information for my testimony but WOW, what amazing facts which proves the Book of Mormon to be true. One could always choose to doubt but when the spirit has born witness then we cannot deny the proof.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint is the true church, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ATGGwbll3c
DNA proves that the Book of Mormon is true (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mADM3RYKl5Y)
Why a Baptist Minister is a mormon now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X8a7DtwUI)
look What you can Find in the Batican : LDS prove
Incredible LDS Conversion of a Librarian at the Vaticanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQ_cTZjUAU
If Nephites would have left the old world before 400 BC, they would have no idea about the hanukka.