Nicely done, Ryan. As a long time researcher (40 years) into Book of Mormon geography, I find your conclusions not only plausible, but probable. I would be interested in seeing more detail as you further develop your thesis. Thanks.
I think the last war where nephites were exterminated ,the war led the carnage nearby hill cumurah , where used to exist trees in moroni's time was colder and a forest but now there were hills ......
Okay, I came back to the video and watched a little bit more. One question is, how did the Book of Mormon people build such fast motorized vehicles to cover all of the ground that you are proposing, and why didn't their descendants continue manufacturing these vehicles?
There's a lot of conjecture and imagination used in this video, not to mention denial of facts and other evidence. I only made it to 19:28
on the video because I'm looking for something specific and I have to move on to more serious treatment of the subject, but here are a few facts that were completely left out so far:
First, the ancient people known to the modern world as the Olmec are definitely the people in the Book of Mormon known as Jaredites. The Nephites, Lamanites, and Mulekites that came to the Promised Land after the Jaredites and inhabited the same lands where the Jaredites lived.
Second, when Brigham Young was standing on the hilltop where the Manti, UT temple now stands, he stated that Moroni dedicated that site for the building of a temple during his mortal life.
Third, a menorah has six branches stemming from the center, not eight.
Fourth, Zarahemla was a large city, not a small structure with three chambers.
Fifth, the part about copper weapons being found but not steel ones - that's because steel was not produced until 500 BC in India at the very earliest; a hundred years after Lehi and Ishmael and their families sailed for the Promised Land.
Sixth, if you read the entire 22nd chapter of Alma, you will see that the narrow neck of land extends north to south (verse 32), not east to west as you indicate is possible.
Seventh, at one time in Jaredite history the narrow neck was blocked by an infestation of poisonous snakes to such and extent that neither man nor beast could pass (Ether 9:31
-34). This barrier lasted for eight generations of Jaredite kings. This would normally only occur if there were a water barrier on both sides, and in a warm climate where snakes would not hibernate during a cold season, which negates the possibility of the narrow neck being in almost any part of the present-day United States.
Eighth, the Tree of Life stone (Izapa Stela 5) was found in Izapa, which is on the border of Mexico and Guatemala. It's true that the carving of Lehi's vision of the tree of life on Izapa Stela 5 has been dismissed by non-LDS authorities who don't want archaeological artifacts to be linked to LDS beliefs, but any Latter-day Saint that has read the Book of Mormon can see that is, indeed, a relief of Lehi's vision.
Ninth, recent discoveries in the translation of the glyphs of the 7th century AD Maya ruins of Palenque manifest the phrase "and then it came to pass" and "it had come to pass." Recently, another glyph has been interpreted as "and it shall come to pass.'"
Tenth, 90% of Book of Mormon era archaeology has been found in Mesoamerica, while only 1% has been found in the present-day continental United States.
I could go on, but this really has taken too much of my time already. Sorry.
, Ryan introduces the subject of DNA. Here is what FairMormon has to say in an article titled, "DNA and Haplogroup X2a ": "Question: Is DNA Haplogroup X2a proof that the Book of Mormon fits best in a geography located in the Great Lakes region?
It does not seem that haplogroup X can serve as good evidence of the Book of Mormon's antiquity. Some claim that the Book of Mormon fits best in a geography located around the Great Lakes, and that this is supported by a mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) group called Haplogroup X2a.
While interesting, at present it does not seem that haplogroup X can serve as good evidence of the Book of Mormon's antiquity given the problems of dating and the failure of the model to come to grips with textual issues from the Book of Mormon. Doing so would require us to misrepresent the current state of scientific evidence."
""Some argue that X shows arrival of Lehi, etc. but this is too easy an explanation. The data seems to indicate it was from an ancient group 12,000 years ago, and Lehi's mtDNA has disappeared."
A major difficulty with this speculation is the problem of dating
Haplogroup X, which is centered in Europe and the Levant is thought to have reached North America much earlier than the Lehi party, and to have brought the distinctive Clovis culture to the Americas (which dates from before 12,000 years ago)." https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Is_DNA_Haplogroup_X2a_proof_that_the_Book_of_Mormon_fits_best_in_a_geography_located_in_the_Great_Lakes_region%3F
"The Newark Holy Stones refer to a set of artifacts allegedly discovered by David Wyrick in 1860 within a cluster of ancient Indian burial mounds near Newark, Ohio, now generally believed to be a hoax. The set consists of the Keystone, a stone bowl, and the Decalogue with its sandstone box." "The Newark Holy Stones are an archaeological fraud used to support the "Lost Tribes" theory, which posits an ancient Israelite presence in Ohio....When comparing Wyrick's woodcuts of the Decalogue to the actual inscription found on the stone, Wyrick made at least 38 errors involving 256 Hebrew letters. Mistakes include illegible and omitted letters. Wyrick's depiction of Moses on the woodcuts had inconsistencies as well. Wyrick shows Moses wearing a beret instead of a turban. He also shows Moses in a 19th-century dress instead of the flowering robe shown on the stone....
Some believe that the person or group responsible for the inscription had to have an extensive knowledge of the Hebrew language. Given that Wyrick made a large number of mistakes on the woodcuts seem to indicate that he may not have been the stone's author." Wikipedia, "Newark Holy Stones"
Your dates for the Hopewell and Adena Cultures are a bit off.
"The Hopewell tradition (also called the Hopewell culture) describes the common aspects of the Native American culture that flourished along rivers in the northeastern and midwestern United States from 100 BCE to 500 CE, in the Middle Woodland period." Wikipedia "Hopewell Tradition"
"The Adena culture was a Pre-Columbian Native American culture that existed from 1000 to 200 BC, in a time known as the Early Woodland period. " Wikipedia "Adena Culture"
Ryan mentions James Rendel Harris. I refer you to this: "The story has been repeated on many other videos and has made its way through a lot of faith-promoting Mormon material.
The only problem is, it's a flat-out lie.
In the first place James Rendel Harris was NOT an
Egyptologist. He was NOT attached to a London Museum. He was
an expert on New Testament documents and worked in
In the second place James Rendel Harris did NOT visit the
site. The site was excavated by university students working
under anthropology professors. Harris, who had a pet theory
about Egyptians reaching the U.S., saw a photograph in the New
York Times about one of the sites that were being excavated.
From looking at this photograph he decided that it looked kind
of like an Egyptian temple (fitting his pet theory, which is
outside his area of expertise).
So no Egyptologists declared it an Egyptian-style temple and
no Egyptologists visited the site. As usual a tangential bit
of information, hardly a blip on the scholarly landscape, is
massaged into impressive evidence by that time-honored device
of LYING. https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1773491,1773519
And the Mesoamerica?
Can someone answer a question?When Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith with the revelation of the gold plates, why does the BofM say that he is an angel? I thought that Moroni might have died from long ago and would have been elevated to god hood. Why doesn't the BofM go in depth to explain the law of eternal progression?
Where can I get a copy of your map?
I agree with you 98% well done
America had been called Turtle Island along time ago
Trying really hard to get the BofM in USA? Not really working....
Why at Hill Cumorah? I think because Moses fled the pharaoh through the Great Lakes to Montreal and passed near Hill Cumorah, maybe stopped on it. Egypt existed in North America, not in the fake Egypt of today. The cities of the mound builders represent Egypt. Illinois has Cairo, Karnak, Thebes, and Eden and more. Just south in Tennessee Memphis still exists. Also Greek cities everywhere, conveniently named in just the right order for the Greek "myths." All supposedly founded in the early 1800s, before modern Egyptology started and before people knew names like Karnak. Jerusalem never existed in today's fake Israel, but in Barcelona, Spain. Barcelona still has Mount Tabor, Mount Carmel, a Roman palace, and a street called Golgotha. It even has the River Kidron with a different name today, but with the same meaning of gloom and death from the Bible. Everything happened relatively recently, not many thousands of years ago. Events in the Book of Numbers appear clearly in the history of southern France. This idea doesn't contradict the Book of Mormon, but does contradict notes that accompany most published Books of Mormon. The notes merely reflect the Strong Delusion which most scholars adopt not wanting to contradict accepted doctrine. No one wants to make waves and stand out from the crowd. The Sea of Galilee refers to the Mediterranean in Southern France, which goes by the name Gaul or Gal as in Galilee. Cannes, France still has the name Canaan in it. The Basque legends tell of giants called the Jentils, like in the Gentiles. Many US states have Hebrew names clearly in them. Nebraska means Candlestick from a Chaldean word. Strong's Hebrew 5043. Dakota means "Crushed her." Dak means Crush, SH 1790, 1792 and ota means her in Hebrew. Oklah as in Oklahoma means Eat Prey or something like that in Hebrew. SH 402. Mis or Mas as in Mississippi, Missouri, Massachusetts means a Slave Labor Gang in Hebrew. SH 4522. I have made a couple dozen videos on this. Hebrew has dozens of cognates with European languages. Also with other languages such as Hawaiian. Kehunnah in Hebrew means Priesthood. SH 3550. Kahuna in Hawaiian means Priest and similar things like sorcerer. Just a coincidence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGoaP4KvGc&t=1s
About once every 10 years the Mormons move all the important sites around.
I have been watching them for around 35 years and the Hill Cumorah has been moved 3 times.
Then there was the multi-Cumorah mess, where the Hill Cumorah was in 2 or 3 places at once.
Now we see them putting it in New York where Smith originally said it was.
How much m9ney was wasted in meso-America?
So dig it up the hill in New York and try to find those bones of 1,000,000 Nephites....and steel swords and the rest of the things that never existed.
Good luck LDS.
You will need all you can get.
When you finally come to the point where nothing Smith said works please remember that Jesus is Lord and He loves you.
I have to give it to the Mormons, they are so driven to prove thier book has some merit that they will jump on any shred of potential evidence.
I believe in an American model because this is the land of promise. And yet I can't imagine that Alma, Mormon, Lehi with a Lieahona or any one else of that time period could see the land of promise the way we can see it on goggle earth today. Not to mention the changes to the landscape at the time of Christ. If these men did not have an accurate to scale map of the Americas in front of them and had not traveled through the whole of the land personally even the best of descriptions would have something missing. If it were posable to sail between north and south America before the time of Christ how would that change the models? And could we then call south america one of the iles of the sea?
5 and 6 are one thing "which" is a pronoun and it used relatively in restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses to represent a specified antecedent. Antecedent(#6) refers to the thing(#5) that came before it. Punctuation doesnt effect the way that word works. It always refers to something else.
Seems like you are forcing the SE of the US. Look back at 20:13
. DNA evidence doesnt support what you are saying.